And I'm usually a perma bear. But just as a basic update, these are the price points that I'm looking for, and the trends that I'm following. There is also a low of 360-368 that I believe will mark the short term bottom. The one thing to remember about all this is -- we are not in a recession yet! That's not optimism, that's just saying usually the market is late to react and so while the real bottom is possibly years away, this is simply more reaction to the Fed tightening and has nothing to do with an actual recession. History tells us that the market won't react to a recession until we're like 1 quarter into the thing, and won't recover until we're already digging ourselves out. That's not an exact science, but basically if we had an organic forming recession with no China shutdowns and no government tightening, the market would still be flying high in ignorance. I think cautious optimism is the right outlook here as a contrarian to the rampant pessimism now. But timing remains hard and illusive.