Getting Paid? With the USD/TRY Carry Trade?The USD/TRY has one of the highest Roll Over Interest out there should you choose to take on this highly volatile pair. It isn't so much that it is volatile, it has to do more with price just moves one direction, and that is up. The way we want to go is down (short) or at least sideways (ranging). Why is this interesting? It is because the Rollover Interest for going short stands at a whopping annualized rate of 28.94%. With 1:4 Margin Requirement for trading a standard lot on the TRY (based off the broker I use), $25,000 could earn me $28,940 yearly, which would be a staggering 115% return at the end of the year. Compounded, I would be a multimillionaire in no time, Buying up yachts, private jets, gourmet food, luxury cars, a pony that shoots lasers, Space X Starship, and countless other items.
But hold up, is there a downside or something that makes this too good to be true? Yes, there is price movement as well as changes in interest rates as well as capital in the account. Having only $25,000 in the account, going full throttle and placing one huge position is sure to activate a margin call within seconds (as price can move thousands of pips against you quickly) and/or cause you to lose more than you put in. Now, we don't want that. You would need to have at least double the amount in the account in order to allow for price movement. The return would be halved, but making over 50% yearly isn't too bad either, is it? With price movement, the USD/TRY (I just call it the TRY), price moved higher over 57,000 pips in 2022, and over 100,000 pips in 2023; that is $18,240 and $32,000 respectively. Interest have just reached 45%, so things definitely would not have been good. Now, with funds in your account, not to many of us have $25,000 lying around to utilize in the markets, nor do we want to just tie up $25,000 into something really risky.
Yet if used correctly and price does stabilize, then the TRY carry trade could payout (similar to the EUR/HUF). What could be done to reduce the risk? For starters, position sizing. Don't use the full force of your account and go "YOLO." Manage expectations. With a $25,000 account size, only getting into a position at around $3,750 (which is about 15% of the account used and a 15k position), would be around $3,650 return, which would be about a 14.6% return (still not bad. How many people can do this). If things go sour and price does move up at the end the year by 100,000 pips against you ($0.05 move per pip), that would be -$5,000 reduced to $1,350 because of the gained rollover interest (which would be only a 5% hit to your account instead of 20%). Putting some hedges in could also reduce some of the risk. Additionally, research and analysis, this could push you to make a more informative speculation on if getting into the pair is a good idea. Furthermore, to really ensure you don't lose any money, is to not get into the pair at all.
For myself, I am utilizing around 41% of my Forex account in this pair, about 14% of my overall accounts. There are hedges in place to reduce the impact of price moving against me as well as my position being small enough to not cause any traumatic moves, even if price moves 100,000 pips against me (of course don't want that to happen). The decision is also made to stay in this pair for the long term or until there is some major changes. There is additional funds in reserves if needed, if things don't go well, in order to put another plan into play to get out of my positions in an orderly fashion.
You all have some great trading out there.
TRYUSD trade ideas
Will TRY Continue to Fly or Will it Hold the 30 and Say GoodbyePrice has been pushing higher and higher and climbed thousands and thousands of PIPs since 2021. But with the increased interest rates (42.5%), will this be enough to prevent price from higher? Potentially. There needs to be more confidence in the Lira, which could be happening. Pimco and Vanguard (US Investment Companies), are investing in Turkey, which could be a good sign. If companies are starting to invest in Turkey, this could help their currency issues. What could also help and maybe is helping currently, is the TRY is a good carry trade, especially if there is a halt to the rapid depreciation in the Lira. The CBRT will likely hold rates at his high lvls for a while as they work to break the upward trajectory. Additionally, if analyst, traders, and investors are correct, and the FED reduces rates, this will assist price on pushing lower. Furthermore, when economic data is released, if inflation starts taking a hit to the downside (currently above 61%), this could bring in that confidence that is needed also and start pushing the TRY lower. If all these factors do improve the Lira, I am thinking price might even be able to hit the 27 lvl.
For now, I got a small position on this pair, collecting a decent amount of positive rollover. I will build up as price pushes higher. I am able to sustain if price pushes 10,000 pips against me. Price is currently over 7,000 pips against me, with a manageable floating loss, and I am still looking to build a larger position.
Manage your risk and do your own due diligence before placing any trades.
Right, I'm calling it! 😁💥Overview
I'm calling 2024 the end of Lira selling.
The Details
2024 could see Turkish inflation peak🗻
The main driving force of the TRY selling has been unconventional monetary policy, erratic changes of the head of Turkey's central bank and finance ministers, and undisciplined high inflation
A rate hiking cycle has been in play since May 2023 - rates hiking from 8.50% to 45.00% - and conventional monetary policy seems to have finally arrived😅
Erodgan seems more committed to tackling inflation and having central bank stability
Things to consider
I am not suggesting that Turkey is on the verge of a boom, though I am not ruling this out; inflation could be peaking, so the Lira may finally see strength. This will create an all-time high on the TRY charts.
I suggest that the aggressive uptrend could be coming to an end, even if that means TRY pairs start ranging.
The carry trade makes this an irresistible opportunity for me. I have been long TRYJPY since June 2023, which has resulted in generous daily swap payments💰
USDTRY-SELL strategy long-term Monthly chartThis is just informative, as it is clear the pair is heavily manipulated. However, it is interesting to see the FX forwards, having widened again since 8 days ago, and 42.5% rate setting central bank, does reflect the heavy cost of carry being short the pair. Obviously, this is to combat the weakening of the currency. I remember the French Franc overnight rate of 1,000% t0 combat weakness of the currency. Now where does this bring us. Technically we have a "falls bull flag" pattern, and we got extremely expensive cost of carry on the pair. One year outright is above 40.50, so its roughly 10 big figures per year cost of carry. so its obvious, for those in need to cover exports in Turkey, it is heaven. For speculators, if one can trade it (not advisable), correction may take some time. Technically we should see back somewhere 18.00, and carrying is beneficial. anyway, long time did not update as it is controlled and technical aspects do not work until such a time drastic measures are taken, i.e. interest rates of 1,000% may do the trick.
USDTRY: 6.8 | SHORT 5k Pips | LONG 38k Pipsbuilding a SHORT position for the SHAKEDOWN
and BASE BUILDING towards 10.0 levels
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Fundamentals:
it takes 20years to settle debt or unfinished obligations by a company country and aliens...
til then.. its currency be it fiat land or spirit is devalued as form of compensation
in layman; a person heavily in debt lacks BARGAINING POWER over MAJOR folks
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see Germany's recovery
Update USDTRYThere is strong resistance between sellers and buyers of the Turkish currency, and the monthly candle that ended there is strong support for a further decline against the dollar, but there is an indication that the rise is nearing the end and will stop soon in the shaded area above, and I believe it will become an area of resistance and strong support for the Turkish currency against the dollar, and a major correction will begin from it.
Please clarify that I am helping you with my point of view, which may be right or wrong, and see my previous analyzes of many currencies and forex in order to judge the owner of this analysis with a more accurate look
Good luck
USDTRY This red candle referred to by the arrow is a candle whose body is very small and does not have any volume. This means that it is a test candle for sellers and it succeeded. There are no sellers in this area. This means that the market maker will raise prices in the next two candles and start rising because he has ensured that there is nothing that hinders the rise in prices. After this successful test
USD/TRY 1$ = 29 TL
You can see my previous graph (above). There is no good development in Turkey so I think that the dollar will increase more.
Under the rule of Recep Tayyip Erdogan Turkey has descended into a dictatorship. In order for Turkey's dollar rate to improve needs to be changed through elections. It also occurs when the incoming government takes democratic steps.
- RTE factor (Anti democratic leader)
- Kurdish (Syria) Problem and security problems - war funds -
- Economic indicators
- Graph indicator / Technic Analysis (StochRSI + MACD + Mov50 + TD )
USD/TRY Short idea Well,
Keeping it simple as always (or I try at least)
Here's another one of my ideas. Long on the Turkish lira (another crazy idea of mine)
First Target 18$
Second Target 13$
I just want to be as transparent as possible with you guys. Right or wrong this is another investment of mine.
I see on the long term (1 year - 2 years ) a regain of field from the Turkish lira which has became trash during the last 2-3 years cause of the low interest rates and an inflation reaching the high part of the double digits.
Now things seem to have changed (SEEM) we have the TCB boosting rates trying to slow down inflation. We know that once lost it's SO HARD to gain trust back, but in long time I see Turkish lira gain back.
P.S. We have a strong dollar in the recent days so it might be volatile (synonym everyone uses to say temporary losses apparently ) for the short medium term.
P.P.S. This is not a financial advice I publish for the sole purpose to have feedback (constructive at least)
Peace out :)
The 10 years analysis for #USDTRY #TürkiyeBased on Gann analytical techniques, if #USDTRY concluded the month of November above the 28. This is indicative of a prospective upward movement, with anticipated milestones at 34 by March 2024, followed by 44, and a final target of 56. The projected timeline for achieving these targets spans from June 2025 to December 2026. Noteworthy is the technical analysis, which finds support in the prevailing inflation figures.
Confident in the capabilities of the Central Bank, I anticipate a resolution to the TRY predicament within the next three years. This resolution is expected to catalyze a notable bullish trend in the currency.
USDTRY , double in 1 year ?!Hi all,
This is a parabolic curve from 2008 until now,
Its working so nice and you see it. If this path continue then we can see more than 40 in next OCT (2024)
Too bad for a country , i hope government find a way for this inflation else …
(This is my idea and please trade on your own risk)
Regards
USD-TRY , road to 30.4 ?!Hi ,
You can see usdtry road in 1M timeframe, if it continue then we can see 30-31 in next months and after that a correction may happen between 22-25 ,
But as i know and as i see turkyie situations in economy and politics and ofc ppls life, its not depended on technical, its all about fundamentals
Anyway if we look to technical we can see 30-31 in next month/s
( its my personal idea and please trade on your own risk )
Looking at USD/TRY following the huge rate rise last weekLast week, the Turkish central bank made a significant move by raising rates by 750 basis points. This caused a sharp downward movement in the US dollar relative to the Turkish lira. Since then, there has been a notable response, with the market showing a sharp rebound.
During times of such volatile market reactions, it's valuable to examine Fibonacci retracements. These retracements help us predict potential new support and resistance levels in the market. Looking ahead, we can pinpoint key levels of support and resistance. The first is the 38.2% retracement, approximately at 26.00/25.98. The second notable level is the 78.6% retracement, approximately at 26.80. It's likely that the market will move within these boundaries as it absorbs and adapts to the unexpected rate increase.
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USD/TRY is to jump in 2023?For the last months, the Turkish lira has been traded near the all-time lows against USD. I think that demand for the lira would shift soon, and it would trigger a breakout of resistance of 18.7 with the first psychological price target of TRY 20 for 1 USD with consolidation near 25 in the second half of the year.
In terms of technical analysis, I do not see any compelling things on the USD/TRY chart.
Therefore, I decided to look at an exotic currency pair with TRY on one side. I have taken Hungarian forint or HUF. Comparing HUF with USD or EUR , we can say, it is a weak currency that has constantly lost its value for the last 20 years. However, against the weakest TRY, HUF is a king. On the TRY/HUF chart, I see an opportunity to breakout of support of HUF 18.4 for TRY until the end of the year. The first target could be 14 with the chance to drop to 10. Keeping in mind that HUF is a weak currency that is now in a temporary good shape against the world currencies, such a possible forint strengthening against the lira could happen only if the latter drop to the majors.
If TRY/HUF is to be 14, and USDHUF is near its essential middle-term resistance of 380. It means USDTRY would be around 27,14. If TRY/HUF reaches 10, USDTRY would be 38. With a magical macroeconomic policy in Turkey, including jumping inflation , artificially low-interest rates in Turkey , and raising interest rates in USD, EUR, and Erdogan's elections in June (and budget spending increase), it doesn't seem impossible to me.